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Bill Gauntt, sitting, shows Bill Raines the two POW camps in Hanoi where he was held after his plane was shot down during the Vietnam War in the 1970s.<\/p><\/div>\n

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The ground was coming up fast as Bill Gauntt\u2019s jet nosedived toward it.<\/p>\n

The second man in the cockpit, the weapons systems operator, had already ejected; Gauntt was only seconds behind. But after his parachute opened, he looked down to see a bomb crater and a burning plane \u2014 his plane. And, like the plane, Gauntt came down hard and fast.<\/p>\n

\u201cI said, \u2018Holy \u2026,\u2019\u201d he recalls.<\/p>\n

He slammed into the steep side of the crater, twisting his ankle, but still managing to ditch his \u2019chute and hobble into the nearby jungle, where he covered himself with leaves and underbrush and called U.S. forces with the radio still strapped to his body. They were on their way to rescue him when the North Vietnamese found him first.<\/p>\n

\u201cThey had a dog,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n

Six weeks later, after walking most of the 250 miles to Hanoi, he was in a spartan, concrete cell in prison, where he stayed for the next eight months.<\/p>\n

Now he\u2019s going back.<\/p>\n

A group of 10 \u2014 some Vietnam vets, some not \u2014 are now in Vietnam, spending two weeks touring the country and not just hitting Saigon \u2014 now called Ho Chi Minh City \u2014 Da Nang and Hanoi. The trip, organized by the UTC College of Business and Dean Robert Dooley, also will visit notable sites such as the city of Hue, home to one of the bloodiest battles in 1968\u2019s Tet Offensive, and several firebases. Dotting the length of the former Demilitarized Zone, the 60-mile swath cutting the country into North and South Vietnam, the bases were stocked with artillery, troops and equipment, trying to prevent North Vietnamese soldiers from coming south.<\/p>\n

Also on the agenda is a trip to the infamous \u201cHanoi Hilton,\u201d where captured POWs were held.<\/p>\n

Dooley has visited Vietnam many times, including a trip with UTC students three years ago on one of the college\u2019s international business programs. Going to the country this time is part of the university\u2019s goal \u201cto engage with the community and supporters.\u201d Such travel programs are \u201ceducation-focused and provide learning experiences for people outside the university.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cFor this trip, it\u2019s an opportunity to spend time with some veterans and hear their stories and learn firsthand what they experienced,\u201d Dooley says.<\/p>\n

Raines<\/strong><\/h3>\n
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Bill Raines, center, was responsible for supplying the U.S. firebases dotted along the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Vietnam.<\/p><\/div>\n

Bill Raines is making his first trip to Vietnam since serving there from June 1970 until June 1971. For decades he didn\u2019t want to go back, he says, but began to soften on the idea when he was told by U.S. Sen. John McCain, a POW in Vietnam from 1967 until 1973 and tortured in the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison: \u201cIf I can forgive and forget, so can you.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cFor a long time \u2014 and I\u2019ve thought too much about this \u2014 it was just that going back was kind of an endorsement of their having \u2018won\u2019 and helping a communist regime monetarily,\u201d says Raines, president and founder of the Raines Group real estate firm.<\/p>\n

He eventually changed his mind after hearing from McCain and others that Vietnam has changed; Americans are welcome; the communist regime is a bit more democratic and capitalistic than he believed.<\/p>\n

\u201cI think of it sometimes in black and white, and now I think it\u2019s going to be in color,\u201d says Raines, who retired from military service in 2000 as a major general. \u201cI think it will be dramatically different and will reinforce to me that we brought a democracy in its form there and that the free enterprise system is alive and well. It will endorse all the sacrifices that were made in all respects.\u201d<\/p>\n

After further consideration, he says, \u201cNot sure how I\u2019m going to react, quite frankly.\u201d<\/p>\n

Raines spent his time in Vietnam as an Army captain, working along the DMZ. Although he\u2019d only been promoted to captain a few weeks earlier, his job was to make sure the many firebases stretching along the DMZ were properly supplied, not only with ammunition, food and health care but also efficient soldiers to run them and maintain morale.<\/p>\n

\u201cI didn\u2019t realize it then, but that was the most responsible job I\u2019ve ever had in my whole life. these people are on some remote firebases, you couldn\u2019t get to them except by helicopter or airplane; they were out there by themselves,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n

Gauntt<\/strong><\/h3>\n
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Bill Gauntt, right, is escorted to a waiting plane after he was released from a North Vietnamese prison in 1973.<\/p><\/div>\n

Gauntt returned to Vietnam in 2013 on a cruise of Southeast Asia he took with his wife. The cruise included Thailand and China and also visited the major ports of Vietnam, including Hanoi and Hai Phong. While in Hanoi, he visited the Hanoi Hilton, although he\u2019d only spent about three days there in 1972 before being transferred to Plantation Gardens, another prison in the city, where he stayed until being released on a date tattooed in his memory \u2014 March 27, 1973.<\/p>\n

But those three days in the Hilton left an impression.<\/p>\n

\u201cI had that d\u00e9j\u00e0 vu moment where you walk in and say, \u2018Hmmm, I don\u2019t think I can take this\u2019 and I walked out,\u201d he recalls.<\/p>\n

After a few minutes, he was ready again.<\/p>\n

\u201cI thought, \u2018OK, I\u2019m ready to go because I can now go in and out that door without someone slamming it behind me.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n

His goal on this trip to Vietnam is \u201cto see the countryside around the DMZ\u201d and \u201csee the people.\u201d<\/p>\n

Gauntt, who retired from the Air Force in 1989 as a lieutenant colonel, recalls that, when he visited the country while on the cruise, \u201c90 percent of the people were too young to have participated or to even be alive during the war. It\u2019s something in history that happened to their ancestors.\u201d<\/p>\n

The morning he was shot down \u2014 another date he knows by heart, Sunday, Aug. 13, 1972 \u2014 he was carrying out his usual duties, taking photos and doing reconnaissance along the DMZ, keeping his eyes open for troop movements, ammunition storage sites, surface-to-air missiles, anything unusual. All normal and routine until the tail of his jet was torn away.<\/p>\n

His mission partner, Francis Townsend, was killed trying to escape. Once he was captured, Gauntt spent two weeks in a tiny bamboo cage, hands and legs in shackles, before being taken to Hanoi, mostly by walking but once on a river boat and twice in trucks with canvas-covered beds, called \u201cdeuces\u201d by the military because they weight two tons but most folks think of them as \u201cArmy trucks.\u201d<\/p>\n

He and the other prisoners, both American and South Vietnamese, had arrived at the Hanoi Hilton in a truck when Gauntt heard \u201ca bicycle\u2019s ding, ding, ding\u201d on the street outside. They opened the canopy to find a man selling popsicles.<\/p>\n

\u201cAs I\u2019m being escorted into the prison, I was eating my orange popsicle,\u201d he says with a laugh.<\/p>\n

He wasn\u2019t tortured as a POW, he says, and figures that, since the Paris Peace Talks were already underway to end the war, he and the other prisoners were bargaining chips in that deal-making. But he was interrogated and, like the other prisoners, his goal was to confuse, confound and generally irritate the North Vietnamese interrogators.<\/p>\n

\u201cThey played some good cop\/bad cop,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n

In one session, the \u201cgood cop\u201d interrogator offered Gauntt hot tea and a pack of cigarettes at the beginning of the session. In 15 minutes, Gauntt says, he smoked the whole pack of cigarettes and drank all the tea.<\/p>\n

\u201cAnd he got mad,\u201d Gauntt says. \u201cHe yelled and screamed at me and threw me out of the room and I laughed all the way back to my cell.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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